In this episode, I’m joined by Nadia Ragbar to discuss her latest work, The Pugilist and the Sailor. 

The book follows the lives of conjoined twins, Bruce and Dougie. One an ambitious boxer and the other a bookkeeper. As the brothers pursue their individual desires, a love interest and a boxing championship, they are compelled to consider the true meaning of belonging, independence, and their own place in the world. 

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Show highlights

00:00 - Introduction

1:48 - What’s been making Nadia happy lately 

2:49 - Summarizing The Pugilist and the Sailor

5:13 - Starting the book from the last line

8:07 - Boxing as a tool to ground the body and differentiate

10:39 - List making as a way to foster inspiration 

16:22 - Connecting to the humanity of characters 

18:37 - The road to publication

20:34 - When plotting doesn’t work

22:47 - Navigating the editing process and choosing feedback

24:42 - Lessons from waiting for publication

27:36 - What Nadia needs to write

29:43 - Her writing superpower

31:12 - The secret to staying on the journey of her art

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Guest’s links

Buy The Pugilist and the Sailor: https://invisiblepublishing.com/product/pugilist-and-the-sailor/?srsltid=AfmBOooW_oY4TQOoIlGrAnTIwM_WtHSUl5r5-mUzKItlhgZcnbY3Rfgm

Follow Nadia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nadiaragbar/

Find out more about Nadia: nadiaragbar.com

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Host’s links

Find out more about the show: https://www.journeyoftheart.com/

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