In this episode, Jacob sits down with one of his leaders and mentors Josiah Guajardo. Josiah serves as a campus pastor in Tulsa, OK; in this episode he shares his story of how he got involved in occupational ministry and the mindset / practices he has in place in order to lead himself, his family, and his church well.

The back half of this episode, Jacob gets transparent about a few doubts and thoughts he's been struggling with in regards to his creative journey and personal ambitions, listen in as Josiah speaks life and gives positive perspective.

TIME STAMPS

0:00 -07:00 - intro

07:00 -25:00 - Josiah ministry beginnings + involvement

25:00 -30:00 - Social media deep dive

30:00 - 49:00 - Therapy session

49:00 - 52:00 - outro