Bull-'ships Ep. 4 takes a look at Ariana Grande's newest song, "Thank U, Next" and we talk breakups, exes and self-love.

Ep. 4 Happily Ever Ariana Grande

...and they lived happily ever after. Or did they? Every Monday, join Kelly Zaragoza and Stephanie Hennick, two Phoenix-based therapists, as they use examples in popular culture to initiate conversations, call out the myths portrayed in entertainment and empower the listeners to have realistic expectations about relationships. If you're looking for a unique and fun way to gain insight and improve your relationships, then this podcast is for you. Music credit: FakeLove by Makaih Beats (makaihbeats.net)

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