What happens when we stop talking about cities and economies as abstract systems—and start talking about people?

In this episode of Cities in Motion, I’m joined by Isaac, the voice behind People Over Numbers, a podcast that breaks down current economic issues through a deeply human lens. Isaac focuses on the real-world impacts of economic decisions, asking essential questions like: Who benefits? Who bears the costs? And how do policy choices show up in everyday life?

Our conversation explores where economics and urbanism intersect, with topics ranging from minimum parking requirements and density to the true costs of sports stadiums and the role of the Dallas Area Transit Authority. We dig into why people-centered thinking matters in city building, and how reframing economic narratives can lead to more equitable, livable communities. From transportation and land use to public investment and policy priorities, this episode unpacks how numbers on a spreadsheet translate into real experiences on the ground.

Be sure to check out People Over Numbers wherever you get your podcasts.

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