Known for transforming the USS Santa Fe from the worst-performing submarine in the fleet to the best, retired U.S. Navy captain David Marquet challenges conventional leadership models by advocating for empowerment, autonomy, and radical perspective shifts. His latest book—Distancing: How Great Leaders Reframe to Make Better Decisions—explores how psychological distancing can sharpen decision-making and unlock wiser leadership choices.

Through stories from the submarine and Silicon Valley boardrooms, Marquet reveals how our brains curate reality to protect our self-image—and how that very instinct can sabotage clarity. Whether you’re leading a team, navigating change, or simply trying to lead yourself more effectively, this conversation offers a compelling framework for stepping back, reframing, and leading with greater insight.

* Psychological distancing is a leadership superpower—it allows leaders to step outside their own biases and view situations with greater objectivity.

* Your brain doesn’t feed you truth—it feeds you comfort—Leaders must recognize the curated nature of their perceptions to make better decisions.

* Self-image can distort reality—Leaders often unconsciously filter information to reinforce their identity, which can hinder growth.

* Practice “mental relocation”: When facing a tough decision, ask yourself how someone else might view the situation—or how you’d see it a year from now.

* Audit your self-image filters: Reflect on how your identity (e.g., “I’m the hard worker”) might be shaping what you notice or ignore.

* Interrupt your default narrative: When you feel triggered or defensive, pause and ask, “What story am I telling myself right now?”

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