Adam Sommer is joined for "Let's Have A Chat" (5:00) by Dr. Michael Sarap, a surgeon from rural Ohio with 33+ years in the field to discuss rural health care, the reaction to COVID-19, and the issue of rejection of expertise in America. Adam provides an update on the podcast and Heartland Strong (52:00) Then, Adam is joined again by Sean Diller and Zack Schwartz for a new segment called "Last Call" (54:45) where the crew dives into the issue of the death of expertise with a less political and more free formed discussion.