In this episode we have a long and fascinating conversation with epidemiologist Dr. Frank Franklin about the current pandemic, racism, poverty, public health, the Black Lives Matter protests, and what it's like to navigate the world as an African American scientist. Dr. Franklin is the Principal Epidemiologist & Director of the Epidemiology, Analytics and Evaluation Division at the Multnomah County Health Department in Portland, Oregon. Questions? Speaker suggestions? Email us at [email protected]

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Thanks to Graham Tully for sound production.

As always, a final thanks to Jonathan Coulton for the use of his song "Mandelbrot Set" as our theme music.