“Sometimes students ask me what was Malcolm’s biggest accomplishment… Malcolm’s biggest accomplishment was turning negroes into black people. There’s no legislation— he burrowed into your soul and your psyche and gave you a reason to live.”

Dr. Peniel Joseph is a professor at the University of Texas at Austin, and you may be familiar with his analysis of race relations with Don Lemon on CNN. Listen to his conversation with Daniel James II about his book The Sword and the Shield, the convergences of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr., radical black dignity and radical black citizenship, the value of bringing all black lives to the forefront in today’s movement, and the effectiveness of the Movement for Black Lives.