Sean: So you mentioned optimism being one of them, perhaps your favorite, your favorite one because that's the one you mentioned right off the bat. And I know very few people, very few people, thank God, who are pessimists. They'd like to call themselves realists these days. And how can I? I'm wondering if there is a way I'm not forcing this question. How can we kind of turn the table and flip the script, finally tell them, hey, you know what? If you keep on like this, I don't think a lot of good is going to come into your life. Is there a strategy for us to allow them to see that being an optimist or having good optimism is very valuable for them?

Devin: Yeah, that's a good thought. And really my response to that is that's why I wrote my book because the easy audience is the audience that says, I agree with everything you're saying. The difficult audience is the audience that says, I don't I don't know that I agree with what you're saying. Oh, well, allow me to make an argument, read the book, read the stories. Are you compelled to consider that maybe optimism is more important than being a pessimist or being a realist? And to see if I can persuade the tougher audience to recognize the importance of our values. And granted, there'll be some people who just will ignore the path that I'm on, and that's okay. But hopefully for those people out there saying I'm looking for some things that I can do that are easy, small, simple things that I can do that will make a positive difference, maybe in my personal life or in my professional life. And I'd love to try something out. I think my book could possibly help that kind of person.

Sean: Aside from optimism, Devin, what are some things people should learn or should get out of your book and apply to their lives?

Devin: Yeah. Let me start with what you just said, how can they apply it to their lives? So in the book, I outlined values, my priority values. Some people might call them core values, but they're priorities for me. But my book is really an invitation for you to discover what your values are, and what's important to you. So I share my values as maybe a template for others to plug in their values. For example, I write about kindness and what an important value that is to me, and gratitude and the importance of the value of service, and maybe thinking a little bit less about ourselves and more about others. I write about integrity, and I write a lot about my mother, who is probably for me the best personification of integrity. I write about communication and humility. And the last value I write about, it's the value of the initiative. If we don't have the drive or something to put one foot in front of the other, take that initiative. Everything else can be hollow. And so I share some thoughts about the importance of taking that first step. And maybe it's just a small step, but the importance of initiative and making positive changes in our lives.

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