“Fast forward to George Floyd, where the officers did nothing. And people said, ‘wait a minute, wasn’t an officer fired for doing something?’ …Now, they have 2020 vision.”

Cariol Horne was a police officer in Buffalo in 2006 when she witnessed a fellow police officer attacking a handcuffed black man, and she was fired for intervening. The firing was reversed in 2020 and the governor issued a formal apology, but she still has not been given her pension. Listen to her conversation with Daniel James II about how she became a police officer, accountability for police officers through Cariol’s Law, her work with youth in the community, her stance on the criminal justice system, incarceration, and release, and so much more.