In this episode, our hosts Deren Abram and Tom Fry swap stories that’ll either have you laughing or wondering, “wait… what?” — including Tom’s less-than-thrilling tale about his grandfather in Greece (spoiler: not exactly The Odyssey) and D’s hilarious confession about inventing a fake assistant just so he could follow up with clients without looking like a total idiot.

Tom’s guest this time is film and stage actor David Caprita. Tom and David reminisce about meeting in the legendary Sanford Meisner acting class, bonding over their shared roots as radio guys. David’s had a wild career — showing up in some of the biggest crime shows and action flicks — though he admits he’s usually only recognized as “that dude who gets punched and bloodied up.”