Jon and Tom dive into the realities of burnout, motivation, and the challenge of staying consistent when building something meaningful. They explore how the initial excitement of a new project often fades, making way for the real work of sustaining momentum. Jon shares his struggle balancing deep thinking and execution, while Tom reflects on how external accountability can drive long-term success.

This conversation unpacks the psychology behind persistence, explaining how personal ambition, feedback loops, and understanding one's "why" can determine whether a project thrives or fades. The participants also discuss the hidden costs of creative work, the role of adaptability, and strategies for building habits that outlast the highs and lows of motivation.

For anyone navigating personal growth, side projects, or career pivots, this episode offers insights on how to stay committed, overcome burnout, and play the long game toward success.