Today, we welcomed back featured leader and fellow Next Waver Eric Hoke for a brilliant conversation around pastoral transitions, co-vocational life, and spiritual+emotional maturity.

Central to this conversation is Eric's experience in helping pastors transition into the marketplace through his work with I Help Pastors Get Jobs, which he founded and currently leads. Over his tenure as a youth pastor, executive pastor, lead pastor, marketplace professional, and entrepreneur, Eric has learned a thing or two about how people are wired - which has led him to develop a framework for understanding what kind of work people are wired for.