Taking as a lead the idea of IMMEDIACY, theorised in a new book by Anna Kornbluh, Luís and Björn talk about immediacy-jargon, speed-reading, the aleph of Borges, sunflowers and Van Gogh immersion, opera, museum practice, ethnomusicology, auto-theory and auto-fiction, meister Eckhart, mysticism and beatific vision, Cusanus, art curators, once-in-a-lifetime-experience, church interior paintings, Bruegel, grey in grey, iconoclasm, Stanley Kubrick, Sidney Lumet, Carl Sagan, palazzo entrances, Pliny, Roland Barthes, trompe l’oeil, sprezzatura, anachronism, ocenaic feelings, ostranenie... Sir, this is an Arby’s!

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