In one of our first podcasts, Dale and Jonalyn talk about their five-year-old's question, "What does grave mean?" They discuss death, resurrection, and how to explain our hope in the new heavens and earth to our children. Jonalyn also explains how white and black are not skin colors in Scripture, they are metaphors connected to light. Favorite line: "In our country we always want to point at race to reconcile people to each other. That has and continues to get us nowhere. You only do that when you don't have God." 

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