The Two Lies bet payoff just keeps getting better as Sam Penkacik of Ghostpipes jumps on the show to offer up his services! Join Dylan and Campy as they talk with Sam about his dedication to making music his own way, the philosophy of sad music, and the power of collaboration. Feel free to hop in on the discussion and become a part of the Defiant Robot community by following the link below and joining our Discord!

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