Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that. Bill Shankly (former Liverpool manager)

Is this true? In this episode of Logos Live, host Robert Martin meets John Boyers (Manchester United chaplain) who disagrees with Bill Shankly. Hear what John considers more important.

They also talk about how John came to be chaplain at one of the world's largest sporting clubs and what he offers the club. They talk about what a chaplain does and how the work of a chaplain differs from trained secular counsellors.

A great conversation of the place of faith in the world of professional sport.

This episode of Bigger Questions was recorded under the show's previous title 'Logos Live'.