In this deeply reflective and energizing conversation, Nikki Blak and Andre Henry cut through the noise of electoral politics to remind us of a deeper truth: we will always have the presidential term we organized for, not just the one we voted for.

Together, they unpack what it means to organize with long-term vision, how to stay grounded when the political landscape is exhausting, and why collective imagination is not just radical—it's necessary.

Andre shares his personal organizing experiences, breaking down how hope and discipline must coexist. Nikki invites listeners into a different way of relating to political shifts — one rooted in responsibility, not reactivity.

This episode is a masterclass in movement-building that prioritizes joy, sustainability, and clarity over chaos.

Special thanks to Def Sound for providing the theme for Interrupting Everything.⁣⁣⁣⁣