Vern has been using Stephen Mansfield's book - Top Ten Signs of a Leadership Crash as the background for a number of recent episodes. In this episode, Vern is excited to interview Stephen for some further thoughts around the need for this book.

I love to talk to Pastors - especially those who are looking to deal with their unmanageable sexual behaviors.

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