Listen to Gretchen's solo episode recorded naked in the recent heat wave. Learn to live more in the symbolic. Accept that pain is between you and what you want and that big change happens over time. Let Mother Earth hold your burdens and plants and flowers help you direct what you want your way.

About Gretchen: Gretchen Winterkorn is a Psychotherapist, Flower farmer, and fellow human being working through the muck of life with her family and on her farm BIRDESS in the Hudson Valley of NY. She share her experience with this in her Podcast "Into Our Own Hands" and her newsletter "Real Live Human Therapist." She previously founded and led a large private group practice of therapists working in her relational style "Winterkorn Counseling & Psychotherapy" in New York City. Her work and thinking about using one's self as a therapist has been published in the Journal of Gay & Lesbian Mental Health and has been presented in numerous juried conferences including at Catholic University and the New School for Social Research.

www.gretchenwinterkorn.com www.birdess.com

Music credit: "Song We Came To Sing" by Living Roots livingrootsmusic.com