We speak with anthropologist Ken MacLean about human rights investigations in Myanmar: how atrocities are recorded both by local and international organizations, and how this affects the prospects for accountability. MacLean, professor at the Strassler Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies of Clark University, is the author of 'Crimes in Archival Form: Human Rights, Fact Production, and Myanmar' (University of California Press, 2022)

Further reading: Crimes in Archival Form. Human Rights, Fact Production, and Myanmar, and Human Rights 'Fact' Production And Why It Matters: Myanmar As A Case In Point, by Ken MacLean.

This episode is supported by Indiana University's Presidential Arts and Humanities Program, the Tobias Center, the African Studies Program, the Center for the Study of the Middle East, and the Huh Jum Ok Human Rights Foundation.

Sound editing by Emily Leisz Carr, mixing by Seth Olansky, music "Souffle Nocturne" by Ben Cohen.

Production by Shilla Kim and Clémence Pinaud.