On this episode our guests are Johnnie Martin & David Gilbert. Johnnie Martin (aka Johnnie JungleGuts) is a writer, performance artist and media guru here in Los Angeles. David Gilbert is an artist who works in photography installation sculpture and performance.

Our interstitial music, as always, is Ocfif by Lewis Keller, and we go out with a song from Minneapolis band The Stonedest ... and the name of the song is Big Struggle.