This week’s Association 4.0 podcast episode is a must listen with our guest Adele Cehrs, CEO and Founder of the Convincing Company. In this episode, Adele shares her interactions with President Joe Biden and talks to us what a globally recognized publicist can teach associations about using convincing techniques to engage and attract members. If you think it’s impossible to change someone’s mind about something, start listening in. You might learn a thing or two!