We've reached Book 5, and Diomedes isn't playing around.  He even stabs Ares himself.  Brian, Shilo, and Jeff ask: what does it mean to have a war in which men and gods fight one another?  We consider whether war is an uncanny world where the gods can be wounded, where men act like gods and gods act like men, and where the one can be mistaken for the other.  Are the Homeric gods really not radically different from human beings?  Oh: and the Trojans push further from Troy than they have ever gone.