Vladi and Nektarios reflect on their past conversation with Dame Kelly Holmes after she came out as gay at the age of 52. Nektarios shares his views on how this news impacted him, as well as Pride month and sexuality. They discuss why it still matters when people with a public profile come out as gay - it should be a part of reality for everybody. The work is far from being done. This leads the conversation to focus on identity; and acknowledging that one of the reasons people like to talk about identity is the need to create more relatable stories.