In this episode of Two Pints of Lager and a Spreadsheet, Jon and Steve are joined by three leaders who know what it takes to build – and keep – a thriving team:

👥 Sam Spoors – Founder, Talentheads

🔗 Di Gates – Founder, Connection Heroes

💡 Trevor Norman – Founder, Tribero

They get honest about why engagement levels have been flat for years and explore what it will really take to change that. From outdated benefit packages to the demands of hybrid working, the conversation challenges assumptions and pushes leaders to think differently.

We discuss:

• Why many benefits packages are no longer fit for purpose

• The danger of assuming you know what your team wants

• Why leaders must get out from behind the desk

• The role of AI and digital tools in modern teams

• How trust and vulnerability build thriving workplaces

If you lead a team – or want to – this episode is packed with practical insights and candid advice on creating an environment where people perform, grow, and stay.

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🎧 Two Pints of Lager and a Spreadsheet is Blu Sky’s podcast about the real stuff behind running a business, hosted by co-founders Jon Dudgeon and Steve Robinson.

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