On this episode, Matt and Matt discuss Chapter five of Michael Malice's "Anarchist Handbook", an excerpt from Herbert Spencer's "Social Statics". In it Spencer talks about the right to defy/ignore/withdraw from the state's authority. We talk about that as well as what secession would look like in the United States. Inevitably, we talk about if any government policy is ever good - lots of fun rabbit holes we chase in this one.