An Australian fellow shows the way, helping an 88-year-old man who still works full-time. Sasha DiGiulian climbed El Capitan in Yosemite via the Direct Line, the first woman to free climb it.

Gary Shapiro had more to tell us about White Christmas, the movie. Then he gave us some of the history of studios losing a bit of their grip on the control of movie-making, with a shift from factory-style production to a system where movies can be made by all.

Rob Oliveros joined us for the entire third hour. He started the facebook group Santa Cruz Against Runaway Development. There is lots of building happening locally with even more planned. Rob wants to keep the developers in check, and keep them honest. It is a big task, and he will be back with us again.