It’s a two-for-one today on the Ultra, Human podcast! Two ultra-humans, Jen Ziegner and Jamin Heppel, who are also lovers and business partners, are on and talking about their journey in fitness and using it as an avenue to increase leadership potential in leaders across the world.

Jamin had 6 knee surgeries before his 25th birthday. Jen grew up a self-described overweight and unsporty child, without much drive to move at all. Now, the pair lead people all over the world to run marathons and summit mountains through their program Mountains & Marathons.

Aside from the fact that Mountains & Marathons is simply a crazy cool business idea, which really speaks to the beliefs of the Ultra, HUman podcast, this episode is about how sport shapes us. I loved talking to Jamin and Jen about what inspired them to choose this business and lifestyle, and what they’ve learned along the way about human empowerment and what it really takes for someone to step out of their comfort zone-- and what’s possible on the other side of it. You can connect with Jamin and Jen through the Mountains and Marathons page on Facebook.