In this episode, Josh and Sean discuss the dynamics of parasocial relationships, the exploitation of vulnerable fans by record companies, and the importance of artists setting personal boundaries. They explore why people seek validation from celebrities and how this intersects with the emotional vulnerability of young people.

The conversation centres on the rise of Chappell Roan, a young, queer pop star, and the challenges she faces with intrusive fans. The hosts examine the role of capitalism and the seeming lack of a duty of care from record labels in exploiting fan relationships. They acknowledge the complexities of these issues and the need for a safe space for both artists and fans.

The conversation delves into the need for celebrities to set boundaries and protect themselves from overzealous fans, and the importance of understanding consent and respecting the personal space of famous individuals.

Sean and Josh recount some of their past interactions with famous people through a new lens and question their motivations for seeking out those experiences.