Done well, subverting the expectations of your audience can dramatically enhance your story. Done poorly... well... then you get GoT Season 8. What is your favorite --or worst-- example of this?

Hosts: Josh Hayes, C. Steven Manley

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04:37 Weekly update— Gave the Clap Away Edition

Josh: Wrote a short story for submission/unsubmission. Finished Tranquility #3 and back into Weaponized #1. Finished the outline for Aspect War, a new fantasy series. Lots of Brandon Sanderson reading. Saw The Batman movie. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877830/

Chuck: Working on Jack Darque #3. Finally finished softball season! Watched a show called Severance. Reading some Stephen King. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11280740/  Love for Superman and Lois. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11192306/

19:10 Main Event— LIVE! Writer's Roundtable - Subverting Expectations

-The results of the flash fiction competition! Thoughts on Outer Range. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11685912/

-Twist vs. Subversion.

-The death of Ned Stark is both in the books vs. the final season of Game of Thrones. https://amzn.to/373Rxsh

-Bad twists and subversions ruin both story and enjoyment for the reader/viewer.

-Good examples: Shutter Island https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1130884/  Dean Koonz’s Servants of Twilight https://amzn.to/3s0P35i  Ozark https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5071412/

-Writing subversion. Se7en https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114369/

-Subversion against tropes, twists against plot. 8mm https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134273/  Fight Club https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/  Unbreakable https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217869/

-M. Knight Shyamalan’s twists. -Deconstruction vs. Subversion.

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