Rachel Roske and Dustin Metz talk painting, verisimilitude, abstraction, minimalism, Agnes Martin, bibles, the superhuman mundane, lemons, and much more ...

Rachel Roske is a painter living and working in Los Angeles. She recently had a show at Elephant Gallery in Los Angeles. She teaches drawing at Otis College of Art & Design.

Dustin Metz is a painter living and working in Los Angeles. He is a co-founder of the artist run gallery Ms Barbers that was in operation from 2015-2017. He was also recently in a two person show at Parker Gallery in Los Feliz.

Our interstitial music as always is Ocfif by Lewis Keller.

And we go out with a bunch of tracks from LA band Skubbs. Skubbs is David Reich, Brian Ramisch and Dave Page.