joel describes his journey to the flavor dimension at LA's finest spaceship-themed eatery Vespertine, and karl wades into the cutthroat world of hard seltzers even though he's really more of a vermouth guy tbh. then, the fellas are joined by comedian/actor dan ahdoot @standupdan to talk about his new food podcast where he examines the fridges of his famous friends, japanese pizza perfection, smuggling canned whale jelly and the racially-charged world of the yakitori customer hierarchy.