In this episode, Bros. Derrick and Michael discuss two books they recently read and exchanged, both of which deal with ministry and leadership and the suffering that comes with it. But the encounters are not strictly limited to pastors but also to laypeople as we all face trials, accusations, and "suffering" in this walk.

Crucified by Christians (Healing For Christians Who Have Been...) By Gene Edwards

Leading With A Limp (Take Full Advantage of Your Most Powerful Weakness) by Dan B. Allender, PhD