James + Carter (former hosts of your favorite podcast's favorite podcast, Heard 'Em Say) join Alex + Koku. There was no way we weren't going to get into Kanye West during this episode, so brace yourself for a kooky Kanye convo—including some HOT GOSS.

Topics also include DM'ing celebrities, and why 2013 might be the cultural reset Y'ALL have been talking about.

Listen to James + Carter on Heard 'Em Say: https://bit.ly/2UTcAo3

Add Carter on Goodreads: https://bit.ly/3edvJbO

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