Becoming Human shifts gears for this episode with a conversation between Jarad McHugh and film/literature scholar Jared Valdez about .

Jarad and Jared chat about the film Being John Malkovich in the context of Becoming Human themes like the meaning of art as a career versus as a passion.

This episode is re-posted from the Jared to Jarad podcast which you can get anywhere you listen to podcasts.