In today’s episode we’re getting into a long standing debate between psychology and spirituality. Many would say that they are diametrically opposed, but to Vanessa, them’s fightin words... so we get into why they can be viewed as opposing. The conversation then gets into the larger umbrella question of what spirituality even IS. I find “spirituality” to be a pretty corrupted word so I think getting at what we’re actually talking about when we use it to be pretty illuminating. What is truly alive in us? What are our containers? How do we snake charm ourselves and others... so much to SAY!