Nikki Bush in conversation with Robyn Wienand. Robyn is the founder of the Play with a Purpose educational programme and CEO of Preschools 4 Africa. She has worked in the NGO space for over 30 years mentoring and assisting over 200 ECD sites through a social franchise system and another 3 000 through their network. She advocates for ECD at local and national government level and has published research on early education. For more information visit www.preschools4africa.org or www.nikkibush.com