This might sound crazy, but David is joined by someone he hasn't spoken to in 36 years. 36 YEARS! When the idea was sparked for Becoming Better Men back in April, Tim Fiala, David's camp counselor for one week in 1984, was one of the first names he thought of.

So he did what any other normal person would do and tracked him down on social and recorded their conversation, which is rooted in realness, authenticity and the power of just being yourself.

ABOUT BECOMING BETTER MEN

David Berry, a longtime coach and advisor to organizational leaders and the VP of people & culture at MUNICIPAL, hosts a series of conversations with men who are dedicated to learning, growth, and the belief that cultural norms of masculinity are painfully outdated and damaging. The idea is to inspire and encourage "better men" to both live and lead in wholehearted ways. The dialogue gets deep and candid as each guest shares stories about their origins, developing their values, careers, family, faith, decision-making, and failure. Look for new episodes on iTunes and Spotify at the beginning of every week.

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