It has become quite common for churches to dip their toes into the stream of recovery groups.  In this episode Vern explores the difference between a church offering recovery programs and a church actually becoming a recovery church where people can acknowledge and grow out of their brokenness.

If you as a pastor are looking for a safe place to turn to to talk about your sexual struggles - you can get ahold of Vern at

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If you are looking for more resources you can also check out the website bandofbrothers.care