This week I talk with Ridge Vogel of Pack Leader University. We discuss what a good relationship with dogs looks like, with tons of human analogies (because who doesn't love a good analogy?), and how humans tend to over complicate this. To learn more about Ridge's program Pack Leader Blueprint you can find him on Instagram @packleaderuniversity and @ridgedogbehavior.

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