In this episode, we talk to Fred Adams, founder of the Utah Shakespeare Festival, and Sam White, founder of Shakespeare in Detroit and director of “Twelfth Night” in our upcoming 2019 season, about the joys, challenges, and similarities of starting Shakespeare companies in 1961 and 2013, what they're looking forward to in 2019, and what, exactly, ought to be done with the character Fabian in "Twelfth Night."