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Ep. 89 – Living Interfaces, AI Agents, and the Future of Growth with Josh Payne - Part 2
In Part 2 of this Selling the Cloud conversation, Josh Payne dives deeper into the future of AI-first growth teams, and how CoFrame is helping B2B orgs replace legacy handoffs and static workflows with continuously learning, automated systems.
Josh shares how teams are deploying AI to automate experimentation, generate code, and even shape strategy in real time. He outlines what it takes to build with AI in production (not just in prompts), how roles like “growth engineer” are evolving, and why building competitive advantage in 2025 means more than just adding ChatGPT to your stack.
What You’ll Learn:
- How AI Is Reshaping Growth Roles: Why marketers are evolving into orchestrators, engineers, and agents of optimization.
- Beyond Prompting—Toward Infrastructure: How CoFrame builds stable, repeatable workflows with AI that can learn, adapt, and improve continuously.
- Real-World Agent Use Cases: From UI code generation to multivariate testing and funnel orchestration, Josh shares how real AI agents are driving results.
- Why Speed > Strategy (Sometimes): Why fast learning cycles and live tests can outperform static GTM plans.
- How to Start Now: Advice for teams getting started with AI-based systems—without needing a research lab.
Key Topics:
- AI in modern GTM orgs
- Code agents vs. code generation
- Automating testing, design, and targeting
- The rise of “quant growth” as a function
- Breaking down silos with intelligent workflows
- When to trust AI—and when not to
- CoFrame’s real-world implementation stories
- GTM roles of the future: orchestrators vs. operators
Guest Spotlight: Josh Payne
Josh Payne is CEO of CoFrame and a leading voice at the intersection of AI, UX, and growth strategy. A repeat founder and AI researcher, he previously created GPT-Migrate and led growth products at top SaaS and fintech companies. His mission: make the web feel intelligent again.
Resources & Mentions:
- Website: CoFrame
- Concepts: AI agents, orchestration layers, living interfaces, growth stacks
- Tech Stack Mentions: GPT-4, Claude, OpenAI fine-tuning, VWO, Retool
🎧 Listen now and follow Selling the Cloud for more GTM conversations on scaling with AI, orchestrating growth, and building what’s next.
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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In Part 2 of this Selling the Cloud conversation, Josh Payne dives deeper into the future of AI-first growth teams, and how CoFrame is helping B2B orgs replace legacy handoffs and static workflows with continuously learning, automated systems.
Josh shares how teams are deploying AI to automate experimentation, generate code, and even shape strategy in real time. He outlines what it takes to build with AI in production (not just in prompts), how roles like “growth engineer” are evolving, and why building competitive advantage in 2025 means more than just adding ChatGPT to your stack.
What You’ll Learn:
- How AI Is Reshaping Growth Roles: Why marketers are evolving into orchestrators, engineers, and agents of optimization.
- Beyond Prompting—Toward Infrastructure: How CoFrame builds stable, repeatable workflows with AI that can learn, adapt, and improve continuously.
- Real-World Agent Use Cases: From UI code generation to multivariate testing and funnel orchestration, Josh shares how real AI agents are driving results.
- Why Speed > Strategy (Sometimes): Why fast learning cycles and live tests can outperform static GTM plans.
- How to Start Now: Advice for teams getting started with AI-based systems—without needing a research lab.
Key Topics:
- AI in modern GTM orgs
- Code agents vs. code generation
- Automating testing, design, and targeting
- The rise of “quant growth” as a function
- Breaking down silos with intelligent workflows
- When to trust AI—and when not to
- CoFrame’s real-world implementation stories
- GTM roles of the future: orchestrators vs. operators
Guest Spotlight: Josh Payne
Josh Payne is CEO of CoFrame and a leading voice at the intersection of AI, UX, and growth strategy. A repeat founder and AI researcher, he previously created GPT-Migrate and led growth products at top SaaS and fintech companies. His mission: make the web feel intelligent again.
Resources & Mentions:
- Website: CoFrame
- Concepts: AI agents, orchestration layers, living interfaces, growth stacks
- Tech Stack Mentions: GPT-4, Claude, OpenAI fine-tuning, VWO, Retool
🎧 Listen now and follow Selling the Cloud for more GTM conversations on scaling with AI, orchestrating growth, and building what’s next.
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.