We sit down with Jonny Rashid, our favorite Egyptian American and "one of our pastors," to talk about our complicated feelings around Brandt Jean forgiving and hugging his brother's murderer. What is the cost of forgiveness, what does that mean for justice, and how does all of this work in a racist society?

All that and more in this episode and the next one!

This is the first episode in a two parter, so don't be alarmed when the music starts playing Jonny off -- we'll be back with the second part of our conversation in two weeks.