In this episode, James talks to Charles Herring about what happens when an IT wizard runs away to join the Navy, works on fighter jets, and then gets thrown into cybersecurity right after 9/11? He shares his unconventional journey from the Wild West days of network defense—complete with fighting worms with worms—to being CISO during the Target breach. Plus: why trauma creates silos, why your SOC is like throwing receipts in garbage bags, and what it takes to build a "good neighborhood" in cybersecurity.