Part Two of Kathryn and Tug's interview with Matthew Kaner. It's a discussion on the rapidly growing non-alcohol/wine substitute movement. Matthew has been representing Proxies, a wine alternative, for over a year. He explains why he decided to work with the brand, and what he's seeing in the NA market. The recent Dry January tasting at Esters was packed. From skipping wine a week nights a week, to cutting alcohol entirely, people are leaning into non-alcoholic spirits and wine alternatives. Kathryn and Tug taste two different Proxies and get into a conversation on ingredient labels, expirations dates, celebrity partnerships, taste comparisons between wine and N/A beverages, and a lot more. The Beverages of the Week are Proxies 'Glow' and 'Audrey' Canada, NV.