It's been a big week for the pod! Welcome to new listeners :) 



In this episode's Featured Book segment, Kate speaks with Joanna Morrison about her debut novel The Ghost of Gracie Flynn. This segment is brought to you by  Fremantle Press.



Joanna Morrison has a background in journalism and a PhD in Creative Writing. Her short fiction has appeared in Australian literary journals and anthologies. In 2020, The Ghost of Gracie Flynn was shortlisted for the City of Fremantle Hungerford Award and was published by Fremantle press in 2022. Joanna lives in borloo/Perth with her husband, two sons and miniature schnauzer.



Links: 

The First Time interview with Nardi Simpson

The First Time interview with Tim Winton

The First Time interview with Kevin Wilson


The First Time episode interview with Natasha Lester) and newsletter 


Two Judgey Girls podcast (even just for the vocal fry) 

The Opposite of Success by Eleanor Elliott Thomas (check out this reel too) 

Jimmy Sharman's Boxers by Steve McGrath 

Kind of Sort of Maybe... But Probably Not by Imbi Neeme 

Beckham (documentary) 

Beyond the Door of No Return by David Diop 

The House That Joy Built by Holly Ringland 

Days of Innocence and Wonder by Lucy Treloar 




Check out show notes for this episode on our website www.thefirsttimepodcast.com or get in touch via Twitter (@thefirsttimepod) or Instagram (@thefirsttimepod).



You can support us and the making of Season Six via our Patreon page. Thanks for joining us!

S6 Ep246: Kate + Katherine Catch Up + FEATURED BOOK The Ghost of Gracie Flynn by Joanna Morrison

A podcast about the first time…you publish a book.

One part reality show, one part writers’ master class. Novelists Katherine Collette (https://www.katherinecollette.com/) (The Helpline, The Competition) and Kate Mildenhall (https://katemildenhall.com/) (Skylarking, The Mother Fault, The Hummingbird Effect) discuss the feels and logistics of writing and publishing and speak to Australian and international writers about their books and creative process.

Now in its sixth season, The First Time podcast has features more than 200 authors including industry icons Helen Garner, Claire G Coleman, Christos Tsiolkas, Tony Birch, Sarah Winman and George Saunders.

The First Time Podcast includes Featured Book segments supported by a range of Australian publishers.

Society & Culture

Personal Journals

History

Philosophy

Places & Travel

Arts

Literature

Performing Arts

Design

Food

Fashion & Beauty

Visual Arts

Books

Sarah Pound is the creator of @wholesomebysarah. You’ve probably heard of her before, you may also have cooked her food. Sarah shares easy weeknight recipes on Insta where she a cult following of more than 700,000 people. You can also get Sarah’s meal kids in Woolworths around the country. 



Sarah recently released her first cookbook also called ‘Wholesome by Sarah’. When pre-orders of her cookbook were announced to her within hours it was the #1 bestselling on Amazon Australia. It stayed in the #1 spot for more than a week. It went through multiple re-prints before it was even released, a pretty incredible achievement! 



Sarah and Katherine talk about bouncing back from failure, growing her following on social media and how sometimes she wishes her passion (i.e. cooking) didn't correlate so much with traditional gender roles.  



Check out show notes for this episode at katherinecollette.com, subscribe via your podcast app or get in touch via Instagram @katherinecollettewriter.



 This episode of The Next Step is sponsored by Fremantle Press and How to Avoid a Happy Life by Julia Lawrinson.   






S6 Ep271: Interview: Cookbook author and entrepreneur Sarah Pound

Have you ever wanted to own your own business but not known where to begin? Like, literally all you know is that you WANT a business and nothing else? This interview with coach and entrepreneur Luisa Zhou is for you.



Luisa Zhou is the founder of LuisaZhou.com, which teaches people how to go from employee to entrepreneur, and scale their businesses to 6- and 7-figures. She’s helped thousands of people make their first $10K to $100K in less than a year.



Luisa has appeared in numerous online and print publications including Forbes, Business Insider, Money, Inc, Entrepreneur, Success magazine, and more.



In this interview, Katherine mentions the content Luisa puts out for free via her YouTube channel – if you're keen to explore that, here are some places to start: 







Starting your coaching business in less than 24 hours (YouTube)

How to put together your first coaching package (YouTube)

All you need is this one sentence marketing plan (YouTube)

Books mentioned:


Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz

Think and Grow Rich (mentioned in the context of auto-suggestion) by Napoleon Hill

Show notes for this episode are available at katherinecollette.com.

 

You can subscribe to The Next Step / The First Time via your podcast app and if you like what you hear, please leave a review! If you don't like what you hear, recommend us to someone you hate.  

 

Get  in touch via Instagram @katherinecollettewriter. 



This episode is sponsored by Fremantle Press and the book People Want to Shoot Me by Wayne Bergmann and Madelaine Dickie.  






S6 Ep270: HOW TO GROW YOUR OWN BUSINESS (FROM SCRATCH) Interview: Luisa Zhou (The Next Step)

Brigid Delaney is currently a political speechwriter. She was a journalist for The Guardian, and wrote popular weekly column, 'Brigid Delaney's Diary',’ which we little a little about in this interview. She wrote that column for eight years. It is so good. Like unbelievably and consistently funny, it’s stood the test of time. Read the cheese story and the mansion story mentioned in the episode—they’re incredible!  



Brigid also wrote Wellmania, the book that the Netflix series is based. But the main thing that Katherine and Brigid talk a lot in this interview about is stoicism, which is the focus of her most recent book, Reasons Not to Worry. 



Katherine has wanted to speak to Brigid about stoicism for a long time. Brigid wrote an article about stoicism when COVID first started, and it felt like it offered a sort of solace that wasn’t anywhere else. The concepts are so useful, particularly for creatives and people putting art/writing into the world. 



Check out show notes for this episode at katherinecollette.com, subscribe via your podcast app or get in touch via Instagram @katherinecollettewriter.



This episode is sponsored by Fremantle Press and Marie O'Rourke's book 'Kintsugi'. 

S6 Ep269: Interview: Author/writer Brigid Delaney (The Next Step)

It's surprising how much the discussion about thoughts and thinking in basketball can apply to creativity. This episode is with BriAnna Garza, a professional basketball shooting coach. She currently coaches players in the (American) NBA, WNBA (as well as the NCAA and youth players) on both shot development and thought development. 



BriAnna is also the founder/owner of Shooters Shoot— a mentorship program that focuses on the same two things. The training model was inspired by BriAnna’s passion for coaching both the science and the mindset of shooting.



Katherine first learned of BriAnna via Instagram. You MUST follow her! True to her philosophy, her Insta is half basketball and half thought development. It's super interesting and a lot of what she talks about can be adapted to the creative realm. 



Katherine and BriAnna discuss A LOT including: 

- neutral thinking 

- the role of emotion  

- visualisation - how to to do it and how to get the most out of it 

- the importance of a 'culture of error' 

- the Pygmalion Effect

and more... 



Many listeners to the show would have heard Katherine talk about Ben Crowe, BriAnna reminds her of Ben Crowe, except she’s young – not that he’s old -- and a woman. But she has a similar way of thinking that's about inspiring people to do and be their best and live with purpose. 



KC is such a big fan of BriAnna and thinks you will be too, after hearing her speak.



Check out show notes for this episode at katherinecollette.com, subscribe via your podcast app or get in touch via Instagram @katherinecollettewriter. 



This episode is sponsored by New South and Anna Jacobson's book 'How to Knit a Human'.  

S6 Ep268: Interview: (NBA, WNBA) basketball shooting coach BriAnna Garza


Jack Druce is a comedian. Katherine thinks he's the best comedian in Australia (he's also the most humble). If you have the chance to see his stand up, GO. He's not at the Melbourne Comedy Festival this year unfortunately, but you can see his stand up special Rat Paradise on YouTube. It featured in New York Magazine. 



Katherine gets excited telling people about Jack Druce because he’s genuinely hilarious and she knows they’re going to like him if they go see him, and somehow she thinks this reflects well on her. As if people will go to one of his shows and enjoy his comedy but mostly what they’ll take away from the experience is the thought ‘Wow Katherine has great taste’... 



Jack has headlined shows nationwide, including Splendour in the Grass.  He’s written for Channel 10’s The Project and appeared at comedy festivals all over Australia. Since 2022, Jack’s been building a following making high quality sketch comedy on Youtube.



Check out show notes for this episode at katherinecollette.com, subscribe via your podcast app or get in touch via Instagram @katherinecollettewriter. 

S6 Ep246: Kate + Katherine Catch Up + FEATURED BOOK The Ghost of Gracie Flynn by Joanna Morrison

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