In this episode we talk about Peter Gabriel's email, which can be found here. We also talk about the video Peter released, which can be found here.

We talk about the artist Tomás Saraceno, whose site can be found here. And his Araceno project, which can be found here.

"Virgil" is Alex C. Telander.

"Me" is Daniel Telander.

This episode was edited and mixed by Daniel Telander.

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