In this conversation, Andre Wicks and John Hattie explore the critical aspects of leadership in education, focusing on the role of principals in enhancing student learning through effective leadership practices. They discuss the importance of principal efficacy, the need for clarity in leadership, the significance of feedback, and the conditions necessary for collective efficacy among staff. Hattie emphasizes the importance of prioritizing the right problems, fostering a positive school culture, and the art of listening to create an environment conducive to improvement. The conversation also touches on the necessity of establishing trust and transparency within the school community, as well as the importance of setting clear leadership intentions that align with student outcomes.