Clive Lloyd joins me today. Clive grabbed my attention for a few reasons. First, he came highly recommended by people I trust. Beautifully ironic give the focus of our conversation. Second, he is generous in helping people like you and I learn and grow and succeed. And thirdly, the focus of his work is on a topic close to my heart, which I didn't realise wasn't just important in my own experience, but what the academic literature says is vital to effective change.